guild mission rank

Where did we fall on making a guild mission rank? I'd like to have it for sunday.

I think most people didn't want to do that? I don't know if we ever came to anything conclusive

I was not opposed to the idea.  If we are going to have people who are not RLR or Liar joining us for Missions, and don't want to invite and kick every Sunday, I think it is a good idea.

I think it would be best to get the stuff with the ally rank and rep rules decided before figuring out if we really want a gm rank or not

I could be wrong, but it seemed like most people agreed that the regular Ally Rank should only be for Liars, and a few key members of RLR.  I can clean that up quickly if we move any of the odd allies that do mission into a guild mission rank.  

How about we give the Guild Mission rank a trial to see how it goes?  We will move as many as we can from Ally to Guild Mission.  Then, I will clean house on the Ally rank.  Later, we can decide how the Guild Mission rank is working out and if we want to keep it.

Well, I had already spoken my mind about what I thought of the use of the ally rank here. I'm not sure taking all those peeps and giving them a "GM rank" would change anything... It still sounds like a free pass to me. At the same time if we really change rep policy to "not full rep" then we don't really need that rank I guess.

I need to re-read your post, I agreed with most of what you said, but I think there were a few points that were not in sync.  I am primarily looking for a way to clean up the Ally Rank.  Separating out random GM people will allow me to clean house on the Ally Rank.  Then, we can decide how to handle the GM people later.  The repping policy is something else to work on entirely.  

It just bugs me that I see people like Viroex, Potchi, and a few others never rep anymore. I have not seen them represent in weeks.  I do not mind people who represent sometimes, but if you never represent then why be here at all?

After thinking about what Yuri said, I pulling back to the stricter side. Allies should only be primarily Liars and a few RLR.  I would like to get stricter with regular members Repping.  Like right now we have 35 people online and 10 of them are regular members who are not representing.  

However, we have never said 100%; it was a loose 90%.  I don't think we as officers have the will or drive, to make AoL a real PvX guild.  So, I do not mind being a little loose on representing for WvW guilds, but they should always come back to us.  We should not take Oh I forgot to rep back as an excuse.  

A suggestion to them could be something like.... Most people have a toon that they do WvW on exclusively.  They could leave that one toon in the WvW guild and all of their other toons could be AoL.   

All that being said, I think we could experiment with a Guild Mission group if the Officers running Sunday Guild Mission manage it carefully.  It would be a useful tool to keep Sunday Missions alive.  We would have to be strict with it though.  Something like, if you miss two Sundays in a row, you will be kicked.

Out of curiosity, how many guild members (aol, not allies) actually NEED the Sunday gms? That is, how many are truly unable to attend the Saturday ones? I assume there are some that go to the Sunday ones instead of the saturday ones, but is that out of necessity? How many are just coming to Sunday to help, but don't need it then?

I mean, not to be a jerk or anything, but if we are busting our balls and using a lot of influence over two or three people, is it even worth it?

^ seriously just wondering. Need to make sure we are agonizing over all these things for a good and real reason, before we keep going IMO.

Especially since a bunch of our non-NA people just left...

Let's not forget about Killander and Yuri who play those times frequently.  We lost a few people but there are still players during that time.  I am not willing to give up so easily.

I didn't say let's give up. I asked us to make sure they are actually needed.

Kittynne wrote:Out of curiosity, how many guild members (aol, not allies) actually NEED the Sunday gms? That is, how many are truly unable to attend the Saturday ones? I assume there are some that go to the Sunday ones instead of the saturday ones, but is that out of necessity? How many are just coming to Sunday to help, but don't need it then?

I mean, not to be a jerk or anything, but if we are busting our balls and using a lot of influence over two or three people, is it even worth it?

That's actually something I was wondering about myself... I can easily be here on Saturday nights (Sunday morning for me) but am trying to attend the European ones just to boost the numbers a little...

Since when does AoL exclude guild-mates?
We have always been about trying to help everyone. Even if it is just for a few people. They are part of AoL. We help our family. Plain and simple. Stopping Sunday morning Gm's would just make even more people leave from that time, make it harder to recruit, and then we would become a NA based guild. I feel like nobody is really seeing this as a problem.

Dellz that'd be true if people weren't just joining on Sunday just for the sake of numbers like Yuri ....I think that's what the original question was trying to find out.

B E E Z wrote:Dellz that'd be true if people weren't just joining on Sunday just for the sake of numbers like Yuri ....I think that's what the original question was trying to find out.

Yep, totally just making sure we find out if we do indeed have people who need the Sunday missions, and not just like Yuri, who could go either way and only goes to Sunday because he thinks other people need it. Stop shooting the messenger inquirer please *hides*

I usually do Saturday night missions in the winter cause im (mostly) not working. but in the summer i cannot attend them on Saturdays and would usually join on Sunday morning.
I know Sunday morning missions were originally intended for a few other players, but i am not sure who they were now or if they're still with us.

One thing we could try to do is find a guild to partner up with who do their guild missions at a different time. I know we've talked about this before but I'm not sure if anyone really looked into it. I know I haven't.